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Re: Water breaks

Post by my2cents on 8/7/2013, 4:25 pm

Years back I asked for exactly that, a 3rd hot weather light colored home jersey to use instead of our navy blue home jerseys. I can never understand the thought process of those who chose dark blue and black jerseys for a Texas team.
Laimport, two 5 minutes breaks takes 15 to 20 off the game. I don't understand the math there.
The tournament organizers can't know for sure if the breaks will be needed when they schedule games. To stop the clock adds 10 minutes per game times 8 to 10 games per field = 80 to 100 minutes. One less game played on that field.

Besides the game time lost is not worth the possible consequences. A few years ago I had a very athletic, conditioned son fall out during a game. He did not want to be the guy the game was stopped for and helped off the field. He got up to try to get off the field and went down again and went out. He almost stopped breathing. An EMT there could not tell if he was breathing or not. His pulse was very weak.
He ended up spending a night at Baylor and was fine after a few weeks. The bottom line is that he was the last one on that team you would have expected this to happen to. It does happen. If you had ever stood there and thought you were going to see a player, your child, die in his mothers arms on a soccer then you would know how petty, short-sighted and ill conceived these complaints on the use and duration of water breaks are.

Life can be too short to sweat the small stuff.

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Re: Water breaks

Post by Soccerinsanity on 8/7/2013, 5:28 pm

Axx, you just explained the "Gray" trend in American football this year! Oh no, now we're going to have to copy it, too!?!
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Post by Axxman on 8/7/2013, 7:33 pm

my2cents wrote:Years back I asked for exactly that, a 3rd hot weather light colored home jersey to use instead of our navy blue home jerseys. I can never understand the thought process of those who chose dark blue and black jerseys for a Texas team.
 Laimport, two 5 minutes breaks takes 15 to 20 off the game. I don't understand the math there.
 The  tournament  organizers can't know for sure if the breaks will be needed when they schedule games. To stop the clock adds 10 minutes per game times 8 to 10 games per field = 80 to 100 minutes. One less game played on that field.

Besides the game time lost is not worth the possible consequences. A few years ago I had a very athletic, conditioned son fall out during a game. He did not want to be the guy the game was stopped for and helped off the field. He got up to try to get off the field and went down again and went out. He almost stopped breathing. An EMT there could not tell if he was breathing or not. His pulse was very weak.
He ended up spending a night at Baylor and was fine after a few weeks. The bottom line is that he was the last one on that team you would have expected this to happen to. It does happen. If you had ever stood there and thought you were going to see a player, your child, die in his mothers arms on a soccer then you would know how petty, short-sighted and ill conceived these complaints on the use and duration of water breaks are.

Life can be too short to sweat the small stuff.

Scary stuff, it happens, sorry to hear you had to go through that.  In my experience, you can be athletic, conditioned, etc. etc., but if you don't prepare properly the few days before hydration and nutrition-wise, it can happen and quickly.  Still not sure a 5 minute vs. 1-2 min. water break would make that much of a difference, but so be it.

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Post by go99 on 8/8/2013, 9:08 am

A dark jersey or light jersey won't matter and really the 5min water break has little impact either. It is just another tool to encourage the high tempo, up and down the field, garbage soccer that we play here. Parents must be responsible here in NTX. Guess what? It will be very hot at this weekends games. You kid must be properly hydrated before the game. Its not up to the kid it is up to the parent to make them hydrate. As I tell my little one. "If you aren't back and forth to the bathroom all day they you aren't drinking enough" That being said the 5 min break is to relieve the league of responsibility if somthing does happen to the kid and a water break wont hurt them so unless you are the losing team who is chasing the game and needs that 5 min. who cares
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Post by Guest on 8/8/2013, 9:33 am

go99 wrote:A dark jersey or light jersey won't matter and really the 5min water break has little impact either.  It is just another tool to encourage the high tempo, up and down the field, garbage soccer that we play here.  Parents must be responsible here in NTX.  Guess what?  It will be very hot at this weekends games.  You kid must be properly hydrated before the game.  Its not up to the kid it is up to the parent to make them hydrate.  As I tell my little one.  "If you aren't back and forth to the bathroom all day they you aren't drinking enough"  That being said the 5 min break is to relieve the league of responsibility if somthing does happen to the kid and a water break wont hurt them so unless you are the losing team who is chasing the game and needs that 5 min. who cares
ridiculous even for you. go jog in black gear on a 105 degree day, with no water or breaks, then we will see what you think. there are ways to stay cool, which is why clima cool stuff is worn instead of wool, breaks allow people to ...take a break from the heat. water breaks allows kids to rehydrate. is it perfect? nope but better than what you suggest...

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Post by odie1993 on 8/8/2013, 9:39 am

in the games my BB played this past weekend, the water breaks ended up being about 3 minutes instead of five.

It was Excruciating at the 2pm game on Saturday so I am happy the water breaks were mandatory. you do not want to leave it to the coaches to fight over whether or not a water break should be used in their game.

I did not see a game where the water breaks effected the flow of the game. in my BB's or in the few other games I watched before and in between our games. (and no before someone comments I did not see every game played last weekend)
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Re: Water breaks

Post by go99 on 8/8/2013, 10:01 am

soccerisgood123 wrote:
go99 wrote:A dark jersey or light jersey won't matter and really the 5min water break has little impact either.  It is just another tool to encourage the high tempo, up and down the field, garbage soccer that we play here.  Parents must be responsible here in NTX.  Guess what?  It will be very hot at this weekends games.  You kid must be properly hydrated before the game.  Its not up to the kid it is up to the parent to make them hydrate.  As I tell my little one.  "If you aren't back and forth to the bathroom all day they you aren't drinking enough"  That being said the 5 min break is to relieve the league of responsibility if somthing does happen to the kid and a water break wont hurt them so unless you are the losing team who is chasing the game and needs that 5 min. who cares
ridiculous even for you. go jog in black gear on a 105 degree day, with no water or breaks, then we will see what you think. there are ways to stay cool, which is why clima cool stuff is worn instead of wool, breaks allow people to ...take  a break from the heat. water breaks allows kids to rehydrate. is it perfect? nope but better than what you suggest...
Nice!  Never fails to get SIG to comment on my post without adding anything of value of his own.  I would guess that if I jog in 105 degrees dressed in black I will feel hot.  I think I switch to the magic white shirt I will feel hot also.  Now people have survived in Desert temperature  higher than this for centuries wearing burkas that were traditionally done in black and still are.  

"The cloths being loose traps air inside them. As we know that air is poor conductor of heat , it prevents the heat to be gained by the body. In other words , it insulates the body. Now the loose cloths are black because black is a good absorber and radiator of heat. When black cloth absorbs heat , it sets up convectional current in the air being trapped inside. Air then becomes lighter but why do you think that there will be one directional movement ? It will expand in all directions. It displaces heavier and cooler air to move in interior thus giving cooling effect to desert traveler:"

Now this isn't my science so I am not going to stand behind it but I will suggest that at 105 you will be hot.  You can wear black, navy, pink, or white and you will still be hot.  

Now onto the better than I suggested.  Really?scratch   You are going to suggest that a five minute water break is infact BETTER than a properly hydrated kid?  So don't bother drinking plenty of well before the game because the 5 min water break is all you need.  Now not a single expert agrees with you on that but you go ahead with that.  You are like that 5th doctor on the 4 out of 5 doctors agree.
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Post by Guest on 8/8/2013, 10:11 am

go99 wrote:
soccerisgood123 wrote:
go99 wrote:A dark jersey or light jersey won't matter and really the 5min water break has little impact either.  It is just another tool to encourage the high tempo, up and down the field, garbage soccer that we play here.  Parents must be responsible here in NTX.  Guess what?  It will be very hot at this weekends games.  You kid must be properly hydrated before the game.  Its not up to the kid it is up to the parent to make them hydrate.  As I tell my little one.  "If you aren't back and forth to the bathroom all day they you aren't drinking enough"  That being said the 5 min break is to relieve the league of responsibility if somthing does happen to the kid and a water break wont hurt them so unless you are the losing team who is chasing the game and needs that 5 min. who cares
ridiculous even for you. go jog in black gear on a 105 degree day, with no water or breaks, then we will see what you think. there are ways to stay cool, which is why clima cool stuff is worn instead of wool, breaks allow people to ...take  a break from the heat. water breaks allows kids to rehydrate. is it perfect? nope but better than what you suggest...
Nice!  Never fails to get SIG to comment on my post without adding anything of value of his own.  I would guess that if I jog in 105 degrees dressed in black I will feel hot.  I think I switch to the magic white shirt I will feel hot also.  Now people have survived in Desert temperature  higher than this for centuries wearing burkas that were traditionally done in black and still are.  

"The cloths being loose traps air inside them. As we know that air is poor conductor of heat , it prevents the heat to be gained by the body. In other words , it insulates the body. Now the loose cloths are black because black is a good absorber and radiator of heat. When black cloth absorbs heat , it sets up convectional current in the air being trapped inside. Air then becomes lighter but why do you think that there will be one directional movement ? It will expand in all directions. It displaces heavier and cooler air to move in interior thus giving cooling effect to desert traveler:"

Now this isn't my science so I am not going to stand behind it but I will suggest that at 105 you will be hot.  You can wear black, navy, pink, or white and you will still be hot.  

Now onto the better than I suggested.  Really?scratch   You are going to suggest that a five minute water break is infact BETTER than a properly hydrated kid?  So don't bother drinking plenty of well before the game because the 5 min water break is all you need.  Now not a single expert agrees with you on that but you go ahead with that.  You are like that 5th doctor on the 4 out of 5 doctors agree.
More silliness, but what do you expect. First off desert nomads do not wear black, they wear white or cream. Maybe you are thinking of those poor enslaved women wearing a burka, but i digress. Of course kids should be properly hydrated and we all know kids and teens are always perfectly prepared and responsible at all times. So to recap, go thinks our kids should wear black jerseys in 105 degree weather, take no breaks, drink no water at those breaks and just tough it out. Again ridiculous, safety first with kids, toughing it out distant second..

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Post by go99 on 8/8/2013, 10:21 am

soccerisgood123 wrote:
go99 wrote:
soccerisgood123 wrote:
go99 wrote:A dark jersey or light jersey won't matter and really the 5min water break has little impact either.  It is just another tool to encourage the high tempo, up and down the field, garbage soccer that we play here.  Parents must be responsible here in NTX.  Guess what?  It will be very hot at this weekends games.  You kid must be properly hydrated before the game.  Its not up to the kid it is up to the parent to make them hydrate.  As I tell my little one.  "If you aren't back and forth to the bathroom all day they you aren't drinking enough"  That being said the 5 min break is to relieve the league of responsibility if somthing does happen to the kid and a water break wont hurt them so unless you are the losing team who is chasing the game and needs that 5 min. who cares
ridiculous even for you. go jog in black gear on a 105 degree day, with no water or breaks, then we will see what you think. there are ways to stay cool, which is why clima cool stuff is worn instead of wool, breaks allow people to ...take  a break from the heat. water breaks allows kids to rehydrate. is it perfect? nope but better than what you suggest...
Nice!  Never fails to get SIG to comment on my post without adding anything of value of his own.  I would guess that if I jog in 105 degrees dressed in black I will feel hot.  I think I switch to the magic white shirt I will feel hot also.  Now people have survived in Desert temperature  higher than this for centuries wearing burkas that were traditionally done in black and still are.  

"The cloths being loose traps air inside them. As we know that air is poor conductor of heat , it prevents the heat to be gained by the body. In other words , it insulates the body. Now the loose cloths are black because black is a good absorber and radiator of heat. When black cloth absorbs heat , it sets up convectional current in the air being trapped inside. Air then becomes lighter but why do you think that there will be one directional movement ? It will expand in all directions. It displaces heavier and cooler air to move in interior thus giving cooling effect to desert traveler:"

Now this isn't my science so I am not going to stand behind it but I will suggest that at 105 you will be hot.  You can wear black, navy, pink, or white and you will still be hot.  

Now onto the better than I suggested.  Really?scratch   You are going to suggest that a five minute water break is infact BETTER than a properly hydrated kid?  So don't bother drinking plenty of well before the game because the 5 min water break is all you need.  Now not a single expert agrees with you on that but you go ahead with that.  You are like that 5th doctor on the 4 out of 5 doctors agree.
More silliness, but what do you expect. First off desert nomads do  not wear black, they wear white or cream. Maybe you are thinking of those poor enslaved women wearing a burka, but i digress. Of course kids should be  properly hydrated and we all know  kids and teens are always perfectly prepared and responsible at all times. So to recap, go thinks our kids should wear black jerseys in 105 degree weather, take no breaks, drink no water at those breaks and just tough it out. Again ridiculous, safety first with kids, toughing it out distant second..
Actually a traditional burka was black and white didn't come along until later but yes you digress. What I actualy said was that it will not really matter what COLOR your kid wears he will be hot. The difference between the colors will not be the saving factor from heatstroke. And also what I suggested was that parents take it upon themselves to make sure their kid is properly hydrated and not leave it up to the kid. What I said is that the water break wasn't going to help much nor hurt so I didn't see it as a problem except for the losing team that wants the extra time. So at no point did I say or suggest that kids SHOULD wear black or that they should TAKE NO BREAKS or DRINK NO WATER.
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Post by Ibystander on 8/8/2013, 10:25 am

odie1993 wrote:in the games my BB played this past weekend, the water breaks ended up being about 3 minutes instead of five.  
It was Excruciating at the 2pm game on Saturday so I am happy the water breaks were mandatory.  you do not want to leave it to the coaches to fight over whether or not a water break should be used in their game.
Agree, because some end up getting more breaks than others.
Why are we assuming that kids are not properly hydrated the week leading up to the QT? We had ours drink all the time, knowing how hot it would be in August. Even properly hydrated, he still appreciated the water breaks. He said he didn't need the first break for the 8:00 game, but was glad to have the breaks after that.
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Post by go99 on 8/8/2013, 10:29 am

I will re post this for the reading impaired

A dark jersey or light jersey won't matter and really the 5min water break has little impact either

Your kid must be properly hydrated before the game. Its not up to the kid it is up to the parent to make them hydrate

That being said the 5 min break is to relieve the league of responsibility if somthing does happen to the kid and a water break "wont" hurt them

unless you are the losing team who is chasing the game and needs that 5 min. who cares(ie give them the water break)


Get off and get you own ideas and post SIG my nuts are sore from you swinging on them. Or at least read and comment on what I actually WROTE not what you antiGO glasses wanted to see
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Post by debit on 8/8/2013, 10:55 am

Agree! Love how a discussion of water breaks for U11 soccer in NTX evolves devolves into a debate over the color of clothing desert nomads have worn throughout history.

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Post by Guest on 8/8/2013, 10:59 am

debit wrote:Agree!  Love how a discussion of water breaks for U11 soccer in NTX evolves devolves into a debate over the color of clothing desert nomads have worn throughout history.

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You're welcome!
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Post by odie1993 on 8/8/2013, 11:04 am

Ibystander wrote:
odie1993 wrote:in the games my BB played this past weekend, the water breaks ended up being about 3 minutes instead of five.  
It was Excruciating at the 2pm game on Saturday so I am happy the water breaks were mandatory.  you do not want to leave it to the coaches to fight over whether or not a water break should be used in their game.
Agree, because some end up getting more breaks than others.
Why are we assuming that kids are not properly hydrated the week leading up to the QT? We had ours drink all the time, knowing how hot it would be in August.  Even properly hydrated, he still appreciated the water breaks.  He said he didn't need the first break for the 8:00 game, but was glad to have the breaks after that.
My BB was properly hydrated (as were most kids I saw throughout the day) but he still appreciated the water breaks even if to get out of that blazing sun and under a tent for a few minutes. I did see more cramping in the Sunday games probably because the kids were worn out from the Saturday games.
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Post by Ibystander on 8/8/2013, 11:11 am

soccerisgood123 wrote:
debit wrote:Agree!  Love how a discussion of water breaks for U11 soccer in NTX evolves devolves into a debate over the color of clothing desert nomads have worn throughout history.

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Can you start another thread for nomads and their habits? I only want to read about water on this thread.
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Post by Guest on 8/8/2013, 11:13 am

Ibystander wrote:
soccerisgood123 wrote:
debit wrote:Agree!  Love how a discussion of water breaks for U11 soccer in NTX evolves devolves into a debate over the color of clothing desert nomads have worn throughout history.

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Can you start another thread for nomads and their habits? I only want to read about water on this thread.
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Post by Guest on 8/8/2013, 11:32 am

Ibystander wrote:
Can you start another thread for nomads and their habits? I only want to read about water on this thread.
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Post by omega striker on 8/8/2013, 12:07 pm

awesome thread!cheers 
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Post by Axxman on 8/8/2013, 12:11 pm

omega striker wrote:awesome thread!cheers 

I was waiting for you to call us all Waterheads.......lol.

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Post by omega striker on 8/8/2013, 12:36 pm

Axxman wrote:
omega striker wrote:awesome thread!cheers 
I was waiting for you to call us all Waterheads.......lol.
damnit it was coming but you beat me to it lol! 
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Post by Rancho4C on 8/8/2013, 12:52 pm

cheers 

Funny thread! Although the FC Dallas Youth? thread is starting to get fun as well!
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Post by my2cents on 8/8/2013, 1:05 pm

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my2cents wrote:Years back I asked for exactly that, a 3rd hot weather light colored home jersey to use instead of our navy blue home jerseys. I can never understand the thought process of those who chose dark blue and black jerseys for a Texas team.
 Laimport, two 5 minutes breaks takes 15 to 20 off the game. I don't understand the math there.
 The  tournament  organizers can't know for sure if the breaks will be needed when they schedule games. To stop the clock adds 10 minutes per game times 8 to 10 games per field = 80 to 100 minutes. One less game played on that field.

Besides the game time lost is not worth the possible consequences. A few years ago I had a very athletic, conditioned son fall out during a game. He did not want to be the guy the game was stopped for and helped off the field. He got up to try to get off the field and went down again and went out. He almost stopped breathing. An EMT there could not tell if he was breathing or not. His pulse was very weak.
He ended up spending a night at Baylor and was fine after a few weeks. The bottom line is that he was the last one on that team you would have expected this to happen to. It does happen. If you had ever stood there and thought you were going to see a player, your child, die in his mothers arms on a soccer then you would know how petty, short-sighted and ill conceived these complaints on the use and duration of water breaks are.

Life can be too short to sweat the small stuff.
Scary stuff, it happens, sorry to hear you had to go through that.  In my experience, you can be athletic, conditioned, etc. etc., but if you don't prepare properly the few days before hydration and nutrition-wise, it can happen and quickly.  Still not sure a 5 minute vs. 1-2 min. water break would make that much of a difference, but so be it.

You are right on both accounts. Having gone through that really put the game and the drama that many times surrounds and even engulfs it into it's proper perspective. Now if does not jeopardize player safety it really is not that big a deal. Bad call, oh well. Water breaks on an 85 degree day, whatever. It does not matter if it is Mid-cities C Division or CL D1, when all is said and done it is still just a game.

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Post by Laimport on 8/8/2013, 1:24 pm

my2cents wrote:Years back I asked for exactly that, a 3rd hot weather light colored home jersey to use instead of our navy blue home jerseys. I can never understand the thought process of those who chose dark blue and black jerseys for a Texas team.
 Laimport, two 5 minutes breaks takes 15 to 20 off the game. I don't understand the math there.
 The  tournament  organizers can't know for sure if the breaks will be needed when they schedule games. To stop the clock adds 10 minutes per game times 8 to 10 games per field = 80 to 100 minutes. One less game played on that field.

Besides the game time lost is not worth the possible consequences. A few years ago I had a very athletic, conditioned son fall out during a game. He did not want to be the guy the game was stopped for and helped off the field. He got up to try to get off the field and went down again and went out. He almost stopped breathing. An EMT there could not tell if he was breathing or not. His pulse was very weak.
He ended up spending a night at Baylor and was fine after a few weeks. The bottom line is that he was the last one on that team you would have expected this to happen to. It does happen. If you had ever stood there and thought you were going to see a player, your child, die in his mothers arms on a soccer then you would know how petty, short-sighted and ill conceived these complaints on the use and duration of water breaks are.

Life can be too short to sweat the small stuff.
First, I'm sorry you had to go through that as a parent.

The point I was making about the time factor is that:

Tournament games are usually shortened by 5 minutes. (Ex: u17/18 halves become 40 minutes instead of the standard 45 minutes.)

So, if you add in another 5 minute water break you are essentially cutting the half down 10 minutes. 20 minutes for game.

90 minute games becomes 70 minute games.

Now, that said, again, I definitely think water breaks are warranted and ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY.

All I'm saying is that the players are actually something resembling a full game.

Another thing, why would a division consisting of 2 brackets of 4 teams need to play semifinals?

Must be a NTX thing. Four team groups usually play 3 group games and the points winner plays in the final.

So, we are talking about player safety, yet 5 games in a 36-40 hr time frame is somehow good for them? Especially in the heat?

Where's the f'ing logic in that?

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Post by my2cents on 8/8/2013, 2:17 pm

Laimport wrote:
my2cents wrote:Years back I asked for exactly that, a 3rd hot weather light colored home jersey to use instead of our navy blue home jerseys. I can never understand the thought process of those who chose dark blue and black jerseys for a Texas team.
 Laimport, two 5 minutes breaks takes 15 to 20 off the game. I don't understand the math there.
 The  tournament  organizers can't know for sure if the breaks will be needed when they schedule games. To stop the clock adds 10 minutes per game times 8 to 10 games per field = 80 to 100 minutes. One less game played on that field.

Besides the game time lost is not worth the possible consequences. A few years ago I had a very athletic, conditioned son fall out during a game. He did not want to be the guy the game was stopped for and helped off the field. He got up to try to get off the field and went down again and went out. He almost stopped breathing. An EMT there could not tell if he was breathing or not. His pulse was very weak.
He ended up spending a night at Baylor and was fine after a few weeks. The bottom line is that he was the last one on that team you would have expected this to happen to. It does happen. If you had ever stood there and thought you were going to see a player, your child, die in his mothers arms on a soccer then you would know how petty, short-sighted and ill conceived these complaints on the use and duration of water breaks are.

Life can be too short to sweat the small stuff.
First, I'm sorry you had to go through that as a parent.

The point I was making about the time factor is that:

Tournament games are usually shortened by 5 minutes. (Ex: u17/18 halves become 40 minutes instead of the standard 45 minutes.)

So, if you add in another 5 minute water break you are essentially cutting the half down 10 minutes. 20 minutes for game.

90 minute games becomes 70 minute games.

Now, that said, again, I definitely think water breaks are warranted and ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY.

All I'm saying is that the players are actually something resembling a full game.

Another thing, why would a division consisting of 2 brackets of 4 teams need to play semifinals?

Must be a NTX thing. Four team groups usually play 3 group games and the points winner plays in the final.

So, we are talking about player safety, yet 5 games in a 36-40 hr time frame is somehow good for them? Especially in the heat?

Where's the f'ing logic in that?

Oh...the $$$$



Could not agree more. I really enjoyed my 96's last 2 years as his clubs stopped doing the mega game tournaments. Two years ago we did Premier League West . Two games on a weekend , one Saturday, one Sunday and go home. Nice. Did mostly major showcase tournaments that were mostly one a day for three days.
I also like the 3 team bracket system used in other states. Play the other two teams and the winner goes through. 4 bracket max divisions, 4 game max over 3 days. Losers get a consolatoion game against like place team from another bracket. The 6 games in 3 days format to make the PLD final is insanely stupid !

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