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Post by dfwsoccerdad on 4/8/2018, 1:56 pm

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Post by MurderWasTheCase on 4/8/2018, 3:12 pm

Its not a coincidence, especially vs Texans. Google search Hassan and Bradford and view the results for yourself.

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Post by goscore! on 4/8/2018, 3:48 pm

From the angle of the video it's hard to be certain, but it looks like it was a goal to me. The ball bounces back...

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Post by dfwsoccerdad on 4/8/2018, 4:41 pm

goscore! wrote:From the angle of the video it's hard to be certain, but it looks like it was a goal to me. The ball bounces back...

nope. the ball hit the bar flush and the first bounce was several yards out in the box. i think that it is a physical impossibility to hit the bar like that have it go all the way across the line and then bounce away from the bar.

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Post by DblDown on 4/8/2018, 5:21 pm

The video provided is far from the best evidence to make a goal/no goal call...but I pulled the video and went frame by frame...it definitely didn’t hit the ground several yards in front of the goal. It hits the bottom half of the cross bar and it is either partially over the goal line or completely over the line when it bounces.

I know it’s not what you want to hear.

Again the angle of the video makes it impossible to call a goal (it needs to be higher), but the ball lands behind the front of the goal posts, for sure.


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Post by DblDown on 4/8/2018, 5:29 pm



The moment it hits the crossbar...



The moment it touches the ground...


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Post by DblDown on 4/8/2018, 6:13 pm

But to answer your question, no. All referee decisions are considered final.

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Post by dfwsoccerdad on 4/8/2018, 7:31 pm

DblDown wrote:

The moment it hits the crossbar...



The moment it touches the ground...


the funny thing is the AR had almost the same view as I did. he was way out of position. the play continued after the ball hit the crossbar with no celebration. the fcd kids went after the ball until the GK secured it. the AR then got the Center Refs attention. on several earlier occasions in the game, the AR got the Center Refs attention and was rebuffed but not on this critical one.

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Post by nearpost95 on 4/9/2018, 8:51 am

if you observe the angle at which the ball rebounds/deflects from under the crossbar, and if you look closely you can see a backspin (look at markings) on the ball. it is plausible that the ball hit the ground behind the goal line and spun out.

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Post by 04Soccerdad on 4/9/2018, 10:06 am

The rule states that the ball must completely cross the line for it to be a goal.  I can't see the line in the video, I have no idea where the AR is positioned in this.  

Two things I do notice in the video.  First is the angle the ball hit the crossbar and second, the backspin on the ball.  It is possible at that angle the ball landed inside the goal and spun out.  Again, I can't see the line so I couldn't tell you for sure.

The AR's signal to the referee in any goal is to simply make eye contact and then run up the line towards the center.  Sometimes, the referee doesn't notice this because most goals are very obvious.  This means the AR will have to get his attention which can be slow.

You also mentioned the AR signaled the ref before in other calls but the referee disregarded the call.  The AR did his job but the referee has to determine if there was an advantage in the foul.  Most times there is not an advantage so the play goes on.  If every violation was called in every game, it would be a painfully slow game!  I've seen those and a game never really gets going.

Keep in mind, the referee will not make a call if he did not clearly see it.  That's why you have parents screaming on the sidelines about fouls the referee didn't call.

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Post by DblDown on 4/9/2018, 10:10 am

I agree completely as far as that’s what it looks like.
In that situation, the ref is supposed to defer to the linesman for the call...but if the linesman is out of position it is a really tough call to make with confidence.

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Post by allen04 on 4/9/2018, 11:23 am

When has being out of position ever stopped a linesman from making a call?
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Post by nearpost95 on 4/9/2018, 11:30 am

04Soccerdad wrote:

The AR's signal to the referee in any goal is to simply make eye contact and then run up the line towards the center.  Sometimes, the referee doesn't notice this because most goals are very obvious.  This means the AR will have to get his attention which can be slow.


almost... if the ball crosses the goal line and quickly comes back into play, the AR is to raise his flag, make eye contact with the referee (wait as long it takes), then sprint up the line.

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Post by Riquelme Rises on 4/9/2018, 12:02 pm

dfwsoccerdad wrote:AR Juan Hernandez thought that this was the game-winning goal despite the fact that he was about 20 yards off the end line. He called this a goal despite the fact that none of the FCD players even thought it was a goal and the center ref didn't think it was a goal. Is it a coincidence that this usually happens against FCD?



Whenever you play FCD weird stuff like this happens....its a mystery
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Post by Riquelme Rises on 4/9/2018, 12:05 pm

04Soccerdad wrote:The rule states that the ball must completely cross the line for it to be a goal.  I can't see the line in the video, I have no idea where the AR is positioned in this.  

Two things I do notice in the video.  First is the angle the ball hit the crossbar and second, the backspin on the ball.  It is possible at that angle the ball landed inside the goal and spun out.  Again, I can't see the line so I couldn't tell you for sure.

The AR's signal to the referee in any goal is to simply make eye contact and then run up the line towards the center.  Sometimes, the referee doesn't notice this because most goals are very obvious.  This means the AR will have to get his attention which can be slow.

You also mentioned the AR signaled the ref before in other calls but the referee disregarded the call.  The AR did his job but the referee has to determine if there was an advantage in the foul.  Most times there is not an advantage so the play goes on.  If every violation was called in every game, it would be a painfully slow game!  I've seen those and a game never really gets going.  

Keep in mind, the referee will not make a call if he did not clearly see it.  That's why you have parents screaming on the sidelines about fouls the referee didn't call.


These refs are referred to as inept refs which Classic is full of.
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Post by nearpost95 on 4/9/2018, 12:06 pm

DblDown wrote:I agree completely as far as that’s what it looks like.
In that situation, the ref is supposed to defer to the linesman for the call...but if the linesman is out of position it is a really tough call to make with confidence.

in the video, it appears that the second to last defender is near the top of the 6 yard box. the AR's position should be level with him. as the shot is taken, the AR is supposed to follow the ball to the goal, but as we all know, a human cannot out sprint a driven ball, especially at fairly close range. this is why some professional leagues have added goal line officials or implemented goal line technology.

ideally, the AR would be looking down the goal line. Depending on the location of the ball, an AR may be able to determine whether a goal was scored even if a couple of steps off the goal line. if the AR cannot determine that the ball was completely over the line, he is to allow play to continue. if the referee awarded the goal, then it was because the AR was satisfied.

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Post by Riquelme Rises on 4/10/2018, 8:49 am

nearpost95 wrote:
DblDown wrote:I agree completely as far as that’s what it looks like.
In that situation, the ref is supposed to defer to the linesman for the call...but if the linesman is out of position it is a really tough call to make with confidence.

in the video, it appears that the second to last defender is near the top of the 6 yard box.  the AR's position should be level with him.  as the shot is taken, the AR is supposed to follow the ball to the goal, but as we all know, a human  cannot out sprint a driven ball, especially at fairly close range.  this is why some professional leagues have added goal line officials or implemented goal line technology.

ideally, the AR would be looking down the goal line.  Depending on the location of the ball, an AR may be able to determine whether a goal was scored even if a couple of steps off the goal line. if the AR cannot determine that the ball was completely over the line, he is to allow play to continue. if the referee awarded the goal, then it was because the AR was satisfied.


Of course none of this means the AR was correct.
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Post by dfwsoccerdad on 4/10/2018, 5:32 pm

the gk swears that the first bounce was outside the goal. an fcd kid tried to follow up and he landed on the gk. showing great sportsmanship, he helped up the gk and said "sorry man but that was not a goal". the gk is demanding goal line technology.

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Post by DblDown on 4/10/2018, 7:43 pm

It’s a tough situation all around..but if you watch the video, there is no way the gk saw the first bounce...he probably saw the second bounce Smile

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Post by ProDallas on 4/11/2018, 12:03 pm

What I like is the foul in the box that occurs while the keeper is securing the ball.

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Post by Nice Ball on 4/11/2018, 1:51 pm

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NO GOAL!!!!
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Post by DblDown on 4/11/2018, 4:32 pm

I hope no one was offended. We gave honest input without jumping on anyone. I have no dog in this fight, but completely understand the frustrations leading up to and including this incident. Personally, my guy says it was probably a goal, but I wasn’t there.

We’ve been on all sides of this call in the past and it’s a tough one to swallow when it doesn’t go your way because you feel the subjectivity in the call or no call.

Most calls are never as obvious as each side thinks.

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